I don’t think that a rerun of the Alamo led by genius Ammon Bundy AND his two outed Agent Provocateurs is the right time, place or people.

I was pleasantly surprised by the Oathkeeper’s principled statement in that regard.

“We cannot force ourselves or our protection on people who do not want it [otherwise you might as well be the State].

   Dwight and Steven Hammond have made it clear, through their attorney, that they just want to turn themselves in and serve out their sentence. And that clear statement of their intent should be the end of the discussion on this.  No patriot group or individual has the right or the authority to force an armed stand off on this family, or around them, against their wishes.  You cannot help someone who does not want your help, and who are not willing and ready to take a hard stand themselves.”

There is more at the following link. It is well thought out and principled:

https://www.oathkeepers.org/the-hammond-family-does/

I am here–exploring methodological individualism and spontaneous order as it relates to human action. What I can do naturally and organically EVEN IN AN UNfree World.

Some part time. Some full time. I prefer full time as a freedom roader practising “The Art of Living Free”.

Some of us are doing what we can as individuals in a community of individuals sharing ideas and applied knowledge…

So why are you here?

Are you living and embodying Position 1 or Position 2 that I speak to below and introduce and contrast in Part I using an article from Brandon Smith?

I expand on that by excerpting and emphasizing the material presented–in Part II–from a perspective of not no rules but self rule, whilst living in an UNFree World using an article from Stewart Rhodes…

It makes things clearer for me. Perhaps it will resonate some insights for you too?

PART I

Regarding the article:  ‘America Faces Civil War: “Fight Against Corrupt Elements Of Government” Inevitable’ by Brandon Smith

http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/america-faces-civil-war-fight-against-corrupt-elements-of-government-inevitable_01062016

The following is abridged and re-arranged for emphasis:

Re: ‘Editor’s Comment: “Despite appearances [hence the importance of being AWAKE], the forces of, and behind, government [psychopaths in NON-Govt too] are ADEPT at manipulating people and controlling EMOTIONS. Steering the mob into a false [FLAG] revolution that is easily diffused and later ridiculed is much better than allowing them to gain strength organically and threatening the halls of power.”

Is that what we are seeing now in Oregon? And is there any way of repairing Washington and avoiding the sparks of civil war that many now consider inevitable?’

 

Ammon Bundy is being played and is Steering the mob into a FALSE [FLAG] Revolution as a so called better way of “THREATENING the halls of power” and in doing so he and known govt agent provocateurs are acting in concert with the forces of, and behind the State RATHER than continueing to gain strength *ORGANICALLY by authentically protecting people by request, from the bottom up as they peacefully nullified, used “civil-disobedience” and PRIMARILY simply lived as FREE American westerners, ranching, farming, logging, and just living as if the BLM did not exist*.

Yes, I believe that begins to bring the Ammon Bundy issue into clearer focus.

“…If internationalists [bankers] were to get their way fully with the world and future historians write their analysis from a globalist perspective of the defunct American nation, they will probably say simply that our collapse was brought about by our own incompetence – that we [Ammon Bundy and the State agent provocateurs] were our own worst ENEMY. Yes, they would treat America as a cliché.

They will of course leave out the destructive influences and [social] engineered disasters of elitists [and those who serve them]:”

Position 1. [A school of thought and belief in the Superstition of Authourity I.E. A TOP DOWN prosecutorial philosophy of applied violence to THREATEN and enforce the will of the political class: Via command control domination, FALSE FLAG and enslavement–which characterize government Law Enforcement Officers and agencies which ESCALATES conflict and CHAOS:

“This Is Government Land”: The Eternal Refrain of the Federal Occupiers By William N. Grigg

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2016/01/this-is-government-land-eternal-refrain.html?m=1

Vs

Position 2. *A BOTTOM UP natural strength gained ORGANICALLY  [I.E. methodological individualism and spontaneous order of upholding the Non Aggression Principle in a remnant free market via homesteading, ranching, mining, logging, farming, trading non-GMO food etc etc AND via Voluntarist Militias staving off and protecting persons and property against forces of and behind the State…*

Re: Positions 1 and 2 See: Wendy Mcelroy’s The Art of Being Free

https://liberty.me/library/the-art-of-being-free

Re: “HOWEVER in Oregon over the weekend, Ammon Bundy…”

[Ammon Bundy IGNORED everything he participated in and the warnings of the Voluntary Militia Oath Keepers by keeping company (associating) with known anti-hero, Govt agent provocateurs from Bundy Ranch (instead of withdrawing [seceding], shunning those agents)]

‘And [with his new found] friends LURED hundreds of protesters under false pretenses using the Hammond family tragedy as a vehicle to then initiate a takeover of federal buildings that have NO strategic or symbolic value, [from the perspective of] boxing themselves into a static position and [UNILATERALLY] proclaiming themselves to be the “tip of the spear” in the fight against corrupt government.’

http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/america-faces-civil-war-fight-against-corrupt-elements-of-government-inevitable_01062016

PART II

The following is the response from the leader Stewart Rhodes of the Voluntary Militia :

‘Ammon,

I believe you know that I respect you as a man of great, inspirational courage and conviction.  And likewise for your brothers.   It was your family’s inspiring courage and conviction at Bundy Ranch in Nevada that caused me, Oath Keepers as an organization (with hundreds of our members answering the call), and many other groups and individuals to come from all over the nation, rifles in hand, to protect your family and back you up, shoulder-to-shoulder, as you took a strong stand for your rights and for the Constitution against a clear and present danger of military trained snipers and Special Forces veteran “contractor” mercenaries.   When we saw the militarized posture of the .gov forces arrayed against you, we veterans felt honor bound to interpose ourselves between them and you, to prevent your ranching family from being “Waco’d.”  It was a profound honor to do so, and it was a stand that will go down in history.’

‘….As you know, we OPPOSE what you [Ammon] have chosen to do by occupying the wildlife preserve there in Oregon, *specifically because it is NOT being done with the CONSENT of the locals or at their request, without the request of the Hammond’ family, without even their knowledge of what you were going to do, until you did it, and because it is not in direct defense of anyone.

*The right way to go would have been to respect the right of the locals on the Committee of Safety to call the shots, decide what needs to be done, and to actually let them be in charge of all outside VOLUNTEERS, including you.  You can certainly act as an adviser and instructor, giving input on what you think they should do, but THEY MUST BE IN CHARGE.

*And frankly, what they should do is go out [Peacefully], as a united community, and simply use the land to ranch, log, mine, farm, etc, with our protection.  You can bet that if they did chose to do so, Oath Keepers, the Oregon III%, Idaho III%, Pacific Patriot Network, Bearded Bastards, and other hard-core patriots would have saddled up and rode, with distinct pleasure and joy in our warrior hearts, to protect the people as they *nullified, used “civil-disobedience” and simply lived as FREE American westerners, ranching, farming, logging, and just living as if the BLM did not exist.

It would be ideal if they did so with a Constitutional Sheriff [who upheld his County/State Oath to uphold the USA Constitution] leading the way, with the people serving as his posse,

*BUT so long as a significant number of locals choose to stand, we [Voluntary. Militia] can provide DIRECT, physical assistance and protection to back them up as they take back THEIR LAND.

*But none of us have the right to make their decisions for them.  They need to have the stones to stand up.  They must make that momentous decision for themselves.  Once they do, it is then our duty to back them up 100% and then some.

*It is a fundamental principle of SELF-government, the consent of the governed, and SELF-determination that it is the people of Harney County who must make the momentous, critical decision to stand, and who MUST ULTIMATELY BE IN CHARGE.  In fact, you said so yourself, during your recent town hall meeting on December 15, 2015, where you helped locals form the Harney County Committee of Safety.  YOU SAID:…

https://www.oathkeepers.org/a-recommended-honorable-exit-strategy-for-ammon-bundy/

The same leader Stewart Rhodes gives due credit to where it was due then goes on to diplomatically point out that Ammon Bundy has turned his back on the above cause and effects and IS now demanding equal effects from UNequal causes and as such has become the “tip of the spear” wagged by False Flag Govt agent provocateurs and the forces of, and behind, incoporated government and NOT of and for the individuals of the community.

REF NOTES & UPDATES:

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Historic”Militia” Moment: Pacific Patriot Network (Including Oath Keepers) Calls On FBI

Written by Date: 01-12-2016 Subject: Revolutions, Rebellions & Uprisings

Note from Stewart Rhodes, Founder and President of Oath Keepers:

See the below video [omitted in this excerpt as it is supplied by a hothead and FBI informant: Pete Santelli].

Very interesting interaction between the Pacific Patriot Network (PPN) leadership delegation and the FBI (who were all kitted out with rifles, plate carriers, and chest rigs).

Among the PPN leaders are Brandon Curtiss, the founder of the Idaho III%; Brandon Rapolla, the Oregon Oath Keepers state CPT Coordinator; and Joseph Rice, the leader of the Josephine County, OR chapter of Oath Keepers (site of the Sugar Pine Mine operation this last year).   They are doing this under the banner of the Pacific Patriot Network, which is a coalition of groups from Oregon, Washington, and Idaho, including local Oregon Oath Keepers chapters (and note that they stressed several times at an earlier press conference that they are not a militia, but that is what the media, including alternative media, insists on calling them).

Their purpose there in Harney County is to help open a line of dialogue and to serve as a buffer to prevent another Waco incident.   This is a righteous mission, if done right, and we stand in full support of it.

However, at this time we are not doing a national call out for other Oath Keepers members to go there.  The local Oregon guys, along with the very capable leaders of Idaho III%, appear to have this mission covered (of being a buffer and facilitating dialogue), and less is more when it comes to keeping things deescalated, as is the stated wish of everyone involved, including Ammon Bundy.

Unless our guys in OR say they need our help  for this mission, stay home and get your own AO squared away.  Got a community Quick Reaction Force (QRF)?  Have a neighborhood watch with real teeth?….

*[Excerpt from Brandon Smith “I am not here to ask for anyone’s support. I have put forward my concepts for non-participation and self-defense for years, and I have been enacting those strategies within my own community with success. I have been told many accounts of other people doing the same…” ]

 

…If not, then you need to get that done before you even think of running off to another state, unless it’s a dire emergency, like Bundy Ranch was.

If this situation goes south, and the Obama Admin turns this into another Waco, the crap WILL hit the fan nationwide, since there are no more free Wacos – not anymore – and you will have your hands full right where you are, and in reaction, the first thing you should do is organize town and county militias for mutual defense.  And that is something we will all need sooner or later.  So, start laying the groundwork for that now.  Today.

Stewart Rhodes

Warning to U.S. Military and Federal LEOs: Do Not Follow Orders to “Waco” Ammon Bundy Occupation, or Risk Civil War

SF insig

De Oppresso Liber?  We Shall See

https://www.oathkeepers.org/critical-warning-to-u-s-military-and-federal-leo-do-not-follow-orders-to-waco-ammon-bundy-occupation-in-oregon-or-you-risk-starting-a-civil-war/

Real Strategies For Removing Federal Presence From Western Lands

http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2782-real-strategies-for-removing-federal-presence-from-western-lands

What Is The Best Method Of Rebellion Against Tyranny?

http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2797-what-is-the-best-method-of-rebellion-against-tyranny

https://www.oathkeepers.org/krisanne-hall-todays-point2ponder/

KrisAnne Hall: “Today’s #Point2Ponder”

KrisAnne Hall: “Today’s #Point2Ponder”

KrisAnne Hall on Malhuer Occupation/Trial, posted on facebook Oct 31, 2016:

Today’s #Point2Ponder:

For those who still aren’t familiar with the Oregon bird refuge “occupation” here are 9 fascinating things that were reported from the trial.

1. Over 15 (out of 29 total) of the “occupiers” worked for the FBI, some paid up to $3,000.

2. It was these FBI plants that brought most of the guns. Pictures of these FBI guns were apparently then used in an attempt to sway the jury.

3. The FBI plants apparently were the ones making comments about using those guns against federal agents.

4. In addition to the 15 FBI plants on the refuge, there were FBI plants in the town, acting as “protesters” attempting to vandalize property and cause fear in the minds of the people over the protest. (We know this because the Harney County Fire Marshall caught them in the act and ultimately quit his job because of the county’s refusal to do anything about it.)

5. The 7 non-fbi occupiers expressed that their goal was simply peacefully protest.

6. An 8th occupier was shot by the FBI for his protest.

7. The defendants’ attorney was violently attacked, beaten and tazed by U.S. Marshalls in open court for asking that a warrant be produced to hold the defendants after they were acquitted.

8. One defendant was allegedly assaulted by officers In the jail AFTER being acquitted.

9. A journalist is still being held in jail for reporting events from Nevada after having all his charges dropped in Oregon.

Strangely the media is saying they fear that the not-guilty verdict will inspire more violent acts.

It seems that they should be concerned about the FBI’s attempts to incite the violence that should worry them.

Because if these things are true as appears to be the case, it paints an entirely different picture than what was and is being portrayed to the public.

www.KrisAnneHall.com

Subject: Trojan horse (another form of False Flag).
 
 I know that Trump is meant to be president to oversee a final crash of the economy and take the blame along with all the conservatives that follow him, AND, I believe according to the evidence at hand that Trump is a conscious trojan horse as well
 

Trump Is Exactly Where The Elites Want Him

Cognitive dissonance is a powerful drug. It makes otherwise-very-intelligent people goofy and incoherent in their thinking and blinds them to certain realities that they should normally see right in front of their noses. I witness it all the time in the field of economics — a key piece of logic, a key fact that certain people absolutely refuse to take into account simply because they have a singular idea of how the world works and they cannot allow that idea to ever come into question. They would rather leap into a mental gymnastics routine worthy of an Olympic gold medal than examine the truth. And if you confront them on it, they’ll accuse YOU of being the one in denial.

This is how we ended up with the credit crisis and market crash of 2008/2009. This is how very few people saw the writing on the wall with Syria and ISIS and the fact that the funding and training of Islamic extremists by Western governments for the purpose of proxy insurgency might not be such a great concept. It is the reason why it took years for the mainstream to acknowledge the advent of the East/West paradigm, the same paradigm that alternative analysts warned about years in advance. This is why most mainstream AND alternative analysts completely discounted a successful Brexit referendum.  And, it is why the vast majority of pundits could not even conceive of a Trump victory in 2016.  I could write a list 20 pages long on all the geopolitical and fiscal developments most people missed because they were clinging to assumptions rather than EVIDENCE.

Unfortunately, the liberty movement is also sometimes vulnerable to such assumptions. The most dangerous of which revolve around the rise of President-elect Donald Trump.

I have seen endless theories over the past several months on all the ways in which the global elites would sabotage the Trump campaign. I believe the phrase “they will never allow him to win” was repeated in nearly every discussion on the election. The assumption in this instance was that Trump is “anti-establishment” and, therefore, a threat to the globalists. These are the same globalists that people also claimed would “rig the election,” or initiate a “coup” in the electoral college to stop a Trump presidency.

Of course, this never happened. So, a large percentage of the movement needs to question — why didn’t it happen? How did Trump win within a system we know has been rigged for decades?

You’ll hear hundreds of theories and rationalizations on Trump’s miraculous victory, but a reason you will almost never hear is also the most likely one: Trump won the election because he serves the interests of the establishment. Trump won because he is a fake.

This is NOT an idea that many liberty activists want to entertain…

As it relates Mal Roarke posted a new activity comment11 days ago

In reply to: Jeffrey Tucker‘s article The Split Personality of the Trump Presidency has a new comment Tax outsourcing, but cut the capital gains tax. Tax imports, but repeal regulations on business. Restrict hiring from […] View

Re: “[New post] The Split Personality of the Trump Presidency” by Jeffrey Tucker

“…toggling between hope and despair [and cover etc]…”

Trump Is Exactly Where The Elites Want Him

Friday, 30 December 2016 03:27 Brandon Smith

“…This is NOT an idea that many liberty activists want to entertain…”

http://www.alt-market.com/articles/3095-trump-is-exactly-where-the-elites-want-him

The above AND following is consistent with article and many excellent comments by Brandon Smith…

Here is one:

“…The TWO REALITIES are NOT mutually exclusive. I know that Trump is meant to be president to OVERSEE a final crash of the economy AND take the blame along with all the conservatives that follow him, AND, I believe according to the evidence at hand that Trump is a conscious *trojan horse [false flag] * as well…”

——– Update from a friend Re: Ayn Rand fanboys-take-the-reins-of-power [set up] ——–

Subject: Good news [So called] from bad sources, namely the Marxist shills at Salon.com

It says a lot about our screwed up culture when news such as this comes from people who hate Ayn Rand.

As for the comments… only for those with a strong stomach!

It all adds up…don’t get played…

http://www.salon.com/2016/12/14/fountainhead-of-bad-ideas-ayn-rands-fanboys-take-the-reins-of-power/

WEDNESDAY, DEC 14, 2016 06:05 AM MSTFountainhead of bad ideas: Ayn Rand’s fanboys take the reins of power HEATHER DIGBY PARTON SKIP TO COMMENTS

Donald Trump; Ayn Rand; Paul Ryan (Credit: Reuters/Chris Keane/AP/Mary Altaffer/Salon)

Dave Hodges

The Bundy Affair Is the Tip of the Iceberg To What’s Coming

He “connects the dots” to John McCain’s CanAmex Highway thru Arizona…and more.

Interesting except:

The Arizona solar project is located adjacent to Luke AFB flight operations and it is near another energy resource, the Palo Verde Nuclear Power Plant. As an aside, I was contacted by a Palo Verde Nuclear Power Plant employee this week. FEMA has been on sight in a surprise inspection and my source has expressed apprehension and surprise at this development. Does anyone else smell a false flag coming? Also, as time goes on, I am certain this will connect the Palo Verde Nuclear Power Plant to the solar farm.

The Bundy area contains the exact same set of variables as what I am seeing here in Arizona in that we see the Canamex Highway nearby, a land grab, proximity to a military base and proximity to another large energy resource, the nearby Hoover Dam.

Coincidence or Conspiracy?

Chinese Solar on Bundy Ranch                       Arizona Solar Farm

Chinese money backing project Chinese money involved in project
Creation of Agenda 21 “Solar Energy Zone” Creation of Agenda 21 “Solar Energy Zone”
Located near a Canamex Highway (I-15) Located near a Canamex Highway (1-10)
Located near a major energy source (Hoover Dam) Located near a major energy source (Palo Verde Nuclear Plant)
Located near a major military base (Nellis AFB) Located near a major military base ancillary facilities (Luke AFB)